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today mitt romney appears to be losing ground in ohio. today's "new york times" cbs poll finds romney trailing president obama by 10% in ohio. but that's not all. romney trails the president by 12% in pennsylvania and by 9% in florida. as you might know, these are all key swing states. analysts blame the slide on the leaked video in which he disparaged americans for paying no income tax, something he is addressing in a new ad campaign. >> president obama and i both care about poor and middle class families. the difference is my policies will make things better for them. >> i don't believe we can get very far with leaders who write off half the nation as a bunch of victims. >> ohio is key, and they are both campaigning in ohio today. the candidates had different targets in that state. romney went after working class voters while president obama rallied at two colleges. early voting has already begun in more than two dozen states. >>> plus, still ahead here at 5:00, a health warning for a bay area city not used to that type of threat. >>> a
today mitt romney appears to be losing ground in ohio. today's "new york times" cbs poll finds romney trailing president obama by 10% in ohio. but that's not all. romney trails the president by 12% in pennsylvania and by 9% in florida. as you might know, these are all key swing states. analysts blame the slide on the leaked video in which he disparaged americans for paying no income tax, something he is addressing in a new ad campaign. >> president obama and i both care about...
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basically it uses those hidden camera comments of romney. here if -- it is. >> there are 47% of the people who believe they are victims, who believe government last a responsibility to take care of them. >> reporter: romney is hitting obama on his energy policy. >> obama wages war on cold. using more coal every day. now your job is in danger. >> reporter: we've also learned the romney campaign will be slightly upping their ad buys in key battleground states. >>> this next story, certainly not a political ad you would have seen a few years ago. the king of cool, sometimes the king of cursing, samuel l. jackson is reaching out to voters in a new ad. jackson tells people to wake the "f" up. you fill in the blaimption. >>> how do you get that stain out of that couch or the counter in the kitchen? what do you use to make sure your world is spotless. we have more on the best stain removers you can buy. >> they claim to be heavy duty but can all purpose cleaners really do it all. consumer reports put these 19 brand cleaners to the test on tough sta
basically it uses those hidden camera comments of romney. here if -- it is. >> there are 47% of the people who believe they are victims, who believe government last a responsibility to take care of them. >> reporter: romney is hitting obama on his energy policy. >> obama wages war on cold. using more coal every day. now your job is in danger. >> reporter: we've also learned the romney campaign will be slightly upping their ad buys in key battleground states. >>>...
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romney trailing president obama by ten points in ohio. down by nine points in florida. we asked the governor about those numbers. i'm curious what you would say to your supporters, your donors, who might be concerned that this might be slipping away? >> i'm pleased with some polls. less with other polls. polls go up. polls go down. >> reporter: there's some that believe these polls are a reflection of that videotape last week. you were talking to donors, talking about the 47%. >> and so, my job, is not to worry about those people. i'll never convince them. >> reporter: i'm curious who you were exactly talking about there. >> as you look at the national polls, i'm tied about the national polls. >> reporter: how about the people you couldn't convince to take greater responsibility. those are heavy words. >> i'm talking about a political process. i'm not going to get 100%. i hope to get 50%-plus. and make sure i become the next president. >> reporter: in the wake of that video, romney up with a new ad. straight to camera. >> president obama and i both care about poor and m
romney trailing president obama by ten points in ohio. down by nine points in florida. we asked the governor about those numbers. i'm curious what you would say to your supporters, your donors, who might be concerned that this might be slipping away? >> i'm pleased with some polls. less with other polls. polls go up. polls go down. >> reporter: there's some that believe these polls are a reflection of that videotape last week. you were talking to donors, talking about the 47%....
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. >>> mitt romney, heading to another must-win state today. facing tough questions from our david muir about that video and disappointing, new numbers. >>> air scare. hundreds of passengers bracing for a crash. a critical problem with the plane's landing gear. but then, a miracle. >>> and is one of the 20th century's enduring mysteries about to be solved? police planning to dig up a suburban driveway in the search for jimmy hoffa. >>> good thursday morning, everybody. we begin with the big, breaking news. the nfl and its referees have struck a deal, ending that lockout that put substitute refs in the game. >> now, the two sides finally settled after a controversial play turned the labor dispute into a national punch line. we begin with abc's tahman bradley. >> a deal is done. >> reporter: regular nfl officials return to work tonight, after their union and the league reached a tentative agreement to end the lockout that began in june. >> the replacement officials will be replaced. >> reporter: the officials union still needs to approve the eigh
. >>> mitt romney, heading to another must-win state today. facing tough questions from our david muir about that video and disappointing, new numbers. >>> air scare. hundreds of passengers bracing for a crash. a critical problem with the plane's landing gear. but then, a miracle. >>> and is one of the 20th century's enduring mysteries about to be solved? police planning to dig up a suburban driveway in the search for jimmy hoffa. >>> good thursday morning,...
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a reality check for the romney campaign. i asked the governor whether or not that secretly recorded video in front of those wealthy donors is playing a role in bringing those numbers down. >> we'll win ohio again. >> we'll finish what we started. >> we'll win in ohio. thank you so much, let's take back america. >> reporter: call it the buckeye brawl. perhaps the biggest punch from the newest poll. romney trailing president obama by 10 points in ohio. down by 9 points in florida. just before we came on the air we asked the governor about those numbers. >> curious about what your would say to some of your supporter, your donors who might be concerned that this could be slipping away? >> i'm pleased with some polls. polls go up and some go down. >> there's some that believe this is a reflection of that videotape last week. you were talking to donors, talking about the 47%. >> my job is not to worry about those people. >> you said my job is not to worry about those people. i'll never convince them they should take personal respo
a reality check for the romney campaign. i asked the governor whether or not that secretly recorded video in front of those wealthy donors is playing a role in bringing those numbers down. >> we'll win ohio again. >> we'll finish what we started. >> we'll win in ohio. thank you so much, let's take back america. >> reporter: call it the buckeye brawl. perhaps the biggest punch from the newest poll. romney trailing president obama by 10 points in ohio. down by 9 points in...
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romney: "it's time to stand up to the cheaters" vo: tough on china? not mitt romney. when a flood of chinese tires threatened a thousand american jobs... it was president obama who stood up to china and protected american workers. mitt romney attacked obama's decision... said standing up to china was "bad for the nation and our workers." how can mitt romney take on the cheaters... when he's taking their side? ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] you've been years in the making. and there are many years ahead. join the millions of members who've chosen an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. go long. >>> the regular nfl refs take the field tonight for the first time since the super bowl and we have to point to that monday night debacle for getting the deal done. let's bring some peter schmuck, he's on the phone. morning, peter. i'm really happy that the regular refs are back. i'm predicting there will be a standing ovation in the stadium in baltimore for these refs tonight. >> you're probably right. i don't know that they're goin
romney: "it's time to stand up to the cheaters" vo: tough on china? not mitt romney. when a flood of chinese tires threatened a thousand american jobs... it was president obama who stood up to china and protected american workers. mitt romney attacked obama's decision... said standing up to china was "bad for the nation and our workers." how can mitt romney take on the cheaters... when he's taking their side? ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] you've been years in the making. and...
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today it appears mitt romney is losing ground in ohio, the latest polls are not encouraging for romney. here is steve handelsman. >> reporter: he's wrapping up his bus tour of ohio a blue collar state that must win for mitt romney. >> there is dignity and honor and meaning in good hard work. >> reporter: despite romney's work here, many visits, ohio may be moving out of reach. even with the help today of ohio native jack nicklaus who says he has laid off workers from his golf business. >> we can't afford four more years like the last four. i can't. >> romney can't afford more polls like today. >> after he was caught on tape disparaging the 47% of americans who pay no federal income tax, who he said feel like victims, today's new york times cbs poll finds romney trailing president obama by 12 points in pennsylvania, by 9 in florida, trailing by 10 in ohio. fighting the perception by some voters he's out of touch. >> i've been across this country, my heartaches for the people i've seen. >> in his new ad romney looks at voters. >> president obama and i both care about poor and middle clas
today it appears mitt romney is losing ground in ohio, the latest polls are not encouraging for romney. here is steve handelsman. >> reporter: he's wrapping up his bus tour of ohio a blue collar state that must win for mitt romney. >> there is dignity and honor and meaning in good hard work. >> reporter: despite romney's work here, many visits, ohio may be moving out of reach. even with the help today of ohio native jack nicklaus who says he has laid off workers from his golf...
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i think that mitt romney should offer more specifics. mitt romney has many issues with taxes, but the president didn't raise taxes. it appears the other day and then yesterday, if you are expecting a big tax cut for me, don't. because i will close the loopholes. it would be like a pharmaceutical company leaving with a message from the side effects. i think you could go a step further and say what the president is saying to you is that 2% growth, 8% unemployment, real income is down and the trillion dollar deficit is up. i don't believe that. ashley: despite these gloomy numbers, the facts for themselves. why is it that the president made you believe the president, they are running campaigns out across the country. they are calling this the clinton bump. they believe that bill clinton standing up for barack obama, offering a testimonial on behalf of the president, it has made people feel better about this. ashley: always looking for the big one. you have to come up with your own line. some people are already writing him off the record i d
i think that mitt romney should offer more specifics. mitt romney has many issues with taxes, but the president didn't raise taxes. it appears the other day and then yesterday, if you are expecting a big tax cut for me, don't. because i will close the loopholes. it would be like a pharmaceutical company leaving with a message from the side effects. i think you could go a step further and say what the president is saying to you is that 2% growth, 8% unemployment, real income is down and the...
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you see mitt romney right there. it's all about ohio right now. mitt romney behind. he's got to come back. and take a look at this picture. just released in "time" magazine. mitt romney like we've never seen before. that was when he was in france as a missionary. remembering his love back home. >> all the way back from the 1960s. >>> also, a real scare in the air. take a look at this picture. landing gear turned the wrong way. the jet with 190 people onboard, just moments from touching down. why some are calling that landing a miracle. >> happened right here. really was amazing. >> really scary. glad everyone's okay. >>> also on the show, an abc news exclusive interview with j.k. rowling. her brand-new book has been top secret, until now. we'll hear her read it aloud this morning. not an adult novel. a novel for adults. >>> let's get to the headline football fans have been waiting for. the nfl and nfl referees union, reaching a contract agreement overnight, ending that three-month lockout that had replacement refs calling the shots. the official referees will be back
you see mitt romney right there. it's all about ohio right now. mitt romney behind. he's got to come back. and take a look at this picture. just released in "time" magazine. mitt romney like we've never seen before. that was when he was in france as a missionary. remembering his love back home. >> all the way back from the 1960s. >>> also, a real scare in the air. take a look at this picture. landing gear turned the wrong way. the jet with 190 people onboard, just...
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you're mitt romney. the romney campaign. you look at the numbers. >> you say two things. >> bill: what do you say? >> first thing you say is i'm skeptical. >> bill: about the poll. >> because if you look at the party distribution, all three polls, it's plus 9 democrat in two of them and plus 10 in one. and that is higher than the spread of partisan voting patterns in 2008. okay. one of the reasons for that is quinnipiac does not weight its polls it. it calls people up and say are you republican, democrat or independent. whatever people say, they write down and take the poll and they don't reweight it to -- >> bill: you think the polls are accurate? >> it is and quinnipiac has gone to great lengths to explain their methodology. it is accurate as we methodically do it. it imposes our own math cal estimates and we don't know. they're not -- we're not going to impose ourselves. so i would only say this. if you have a poll in any of the swing states that has a higher democrat to republican split than occurred in 2008, if you're t
you're mitt romney. the romney campaign. you look at the numbers. >> you say two things. >> bill: what do you say? >> first thing you say is i'm skeptical. >> bill: about the poll. >> because if you look at the party distribution, all three polls, it's plus 9 democrat in two of them and plus 10 in one. and that is higher than the spread of partisan voting patterns in 2008. okay. one of the reasons for that is quinnipiac does not weight its polls it. it calls people...
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, crisp way the difference between romney and obama. it'slearly something you can go out and you can communicate and you can do dramatically better than romney's currently doing. >> just be who you are. others say, get tougher, attack. and my own view is this. i've got to be who i am and describe why i think i'm the person that's going to become the next president of the united states, and how my policies will make life better for american families. >> reporter: mitt romney getting a lot of advice right now, just six days away from the first presidential debate. >> unbelievable, first to have three. all right, paul steinhauser, thanks so much. >>> 54 minutes past the hour. a heads up if you're traveling in the northeast. a dreary start weather wise. rob marciano has all of the details for us. good morning. >> good morning, guys. the good news is, it's not only the northeast. so you're not in this alone. >> misery loves company. >> exactly, guys! listen, a little stream of moisture, it's not a whole lot right now, at least east of new yo
, crisp way the difference between romney and obama. it'slearly something you can go out and you can communicate and you can do dramatically better than romney's currently doing. >> just be who you are. others say, get tougher, attack. and my own view is this. i've got to be who i am and describe why i think i'm the person that's going to become the next president of the united states, and how my policies will make life better for american families. >> reporter: mitt romney getting...
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mitt romney was near columbus, cleveland and toledo. president obama is bolling green focussing on middle class voters. >> when my opponent said we should just let detroit go bankrupt. don't move. folks, that -- that -- that would have meant walking away from an industry that supports one in eight ohio jobs. >> the difference between me and president obama is i know what to do, and i will do what it takes to get this economy going. >> ohio voters say the economy matters to them. romney argues his business experience makes him the best choice, but latest polls suggest voters think mr. obama would do a better job. a cnn average of four recent ohio polls found 51% of voters support president obama. 44% favor mitt romney. one of romney's events wednesday was a manufacturing round table with business leaders and tv host micro. he's a man known for taking on tough jobs. in ohio he's overshadowed by the two other men that's even tougher. in washington i'm emily smith. >>> and for some more numbers, campaigned two on university poll says presid
mitt romney was near columbus, cleveland and toledo. president obama is bolling green focussing on middle class voters. >> when my opponent said we should just let detroit go bankrupt. don't move. folks, that -- that -- that would have meant walking away from an industry that supports one in eight ohio jobs. >> the difference between me and president obama is i know what to do, and i will do what it takes to get this economy going. >> ohio voters say the economy matters to...
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at every campaign stop, mitt romney has hit the same theme. i care about you. >> these are tough times, even for families with jobs. i know what it takes to get this economy going again. i care about the people of america. >> reporter: as new polls show ohio slipping away. romney down by ten points in a new poll out this morning, and nearly that in another recent poll. after that video of romney talking disparagingly about the 47% who pay no income tax. today, from romney, more compassion in a new minute-long tv ad. >> president obama and i both care about poor and middle class families. the difference is, my policies will make things better for them. >> reporter: romney's problem is historic, no republican has won the white house without winning ohio, romney sounded optimistic today in an interview with nbc news. >> can you win ohio? >> i'm going to win ohio, in part because i have support from people in ohio >> reporter: but the problem, obama is here, too, today, his 29th visit since taking office, and not letting anybody forget that other
at every campaign stop, mitt romney has hit the same theme. i care about you. >> these are tough times, even for families with jobs. i know what it takes to get this economy going again. i care about the people of america. >> reporter: as new polls show ohio slipping away. romney down by ten points in a new poll out this morning, and nearly that in another recent poll. after that video of romney talking disparagingly about the 47% who pay no income tax. today, from romney, more...
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romney: "it's time to stand up to the cheaters" vo: tough on china? not mitt romney. when a flood of chinese tires threatened a thousand american jobs... it was president obama who stood up to china and protected american workers. mitt romney attacked obama's decision... said standing up to china was "bad for the nation and our workers." how can mitt romney take on the cheaters... when he's taking their side? [ male announcer ] if you think all batteries are the same... consider this: when the unexpected happens, there's one brand of battery more emergency workers trust in their maglites: duracell. one reason: duralock power preserve. it locks in power for up to 10 years in storage. guaranteed. so, whether it's 10 years' of life's sunny days... or... the occasional stormy one... trust goes a long way. duracell with duralock. trusted everywhere. >>> it has been five, long difficult years since the final harry potter book. in all, seven harry porter books sold a staggering 450 million copies world wide. the movies gross modder than $7 billion worldwide making author jk
romney: "it's time to stand up to the cheaters" vo: tough on china? not mitt romney. when a flood of chinese tires threatened a thousand american jobs... it was president obama who stood up to china and protected american workers. mitt romney attacked obama's decision... said standing up to china was "bad for the nation and our workers." how can mitt romney take on the cheaters... when he's taking their side? [ male announcer ] if you think all batteries are the same......
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>> romney though is facing a very uphill battle in that state. abc news now has moved ohio from the toss-up column to the lean-obama column in its electoral college ratings. >>> now to the latest fiery rhetoric from the iranian president, railing against the west in what was likely his final speech before the u.n. general assembly. mahmoud ahmadinejad blasting the u.s. and european union accusing them of entrusting themselves off to the devil. he also referred to israelis as "uncivilized zionists" and ahmadinejad made no mention of the nuclear program, and called for a new world order. both u.s. and israeli delegations boycotted the speech which last 35d minutes. >>> the civil war in syria hit a grim milestone. more than 340 people were killed yesterday, making it the deadliest day yet. that number includes at four military guards who died in back to back suicide car bombs in damascus. syria's state tv release this dramatic video showing the moment the first bomb went off right there. exploding from a white van. the opposition claims that the twi
>> romney though is facing a very uphill battle in that state. abc news now has moved ohio from the toss-up column to the lean-obama column in its electoral college ratings. >>> now to the latest fiery rhetoric from the iranian president, railing against the west in what was likely his final speech before the u.n. general assembly. mahmoud ahmadinejad blasting the u.s. and european union accusing them of entrusting themselves off to the devil. he also referred to israelis as...
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new numbers show mitt romney faces a uphill battle in several states. the poll found president obama has a wide lead over mitt romney in ohio, florida and pennsylvania. the president leads him in ohio by 10 points. florida 9 points and pennsylvania 12 points. >>> judge refused to throw out perjury charges against two penn state officials accused of lying in the jerry sandusky child sex abuse scandal. lawyers for the former vice president and the athletic director filed motions to have the charges dismissed. but the judge said that was for a jury to decide. he said he would rule later on a motion to dismiss charges of failing to report child abuse. >>> the worse case of west nile virus in 10 years. >> the efforts underway in san francisco to fight the potentially deadly disease. >> in san francisco, a new way to get around, how the program is also making history. w these politicians say unless we send more tax dollars to sacramento, they'll cut education again. here's a new approach. prop thirty-eight sends billions in new education dollars straight to o
new numbers show mitt romney faces a uphill battle in several states. the poll found president obama has a wide lead over mitt romney in ohio, florida and pennsylvania. the president leads him in ohio by 10 points. florida 9 points and pennsylvania 12 points. >>> judge refused to throw out perjury charges against two penn state officials accused of lying in the jerry sandusky child sex abuse scandal. lawyers for the former vice president and the athletic director filed motions to have...
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he accused romney not paying taxes. kilput my arms all the way around the law if he could get in trouble for this. i think he could. how could he make a statement, the fame and individual running for president. like romneyout right lies. >> greg: talk about going back. >> kimberly: he is not the right guy. >> greg: all harry reid has to do is apologize for making that up. >> dana: his staff tried in a way. when asked about it, he said, the spokes penn said he didn't originally say that. he was quoting somebody else. who said that, as if it makes it okay. >> bob: can we make a bet here. if i can get him to apologize, can we promise never to run reverend wright? >> dana: no. but if you get pimp with the limp on the line -- >> kimberly: time for him. netanyahu no. time for pimp with the limp and lunch an vegas and picking up checks. >> eric: we can go. we have a good segment coming up. let's go. coming up, we love us some football. n.f.l. is one of the best brands in the world. the referee lockout, putting that at risk or
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. >> big news today president obama may be pulling away from governor romney in the key states of ohio and florida. but is that true? we have in-depth analysis from karl rove, dick morris and the governor of ohio, john kasich. >> there is no doubt that the world is in need of a new order and fresh way of thinking. >> bill: mad man of iran insulting just about everybody at the u.n.
. >> big news today president obama may be pulling away from governor romney in the key states of ohio and florida. but is that true? we have in-depth analysis from karl rove, dick morris and the governor of ohio, john kasich. >> there is no doubt that the world is in need of a new order and fresh way of thinking. >> bill: mad man of iran insulting just about everybody at the u.n.
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ed said i see no connection between that mitt romney and this mitt romney. you've talked about the remarkable things he's done on wall street. what he di with bain capital, what a great american success d y as well, there's a huge disconnect between that mitt romney and the mitt romney that we're seeing bumblg around on the campaign trail. it seems that while presidential elections elevate some like reagan and clinton, they diminish others like mitt romney. o fundamentally kind of technocrats and businesspeople look at what he did in massachusetts and say he got a lot of stuff done, worked with the rest of the government, et cetera, et cetera, got health care done, this is how government should function,ut athat ppen outheel obvio cagnil tt he was pushed into places, into corners, into positions that he may or may not actually believe in, but which portray him and create an image of him in very, very different light. and so now we are left with this kindf bum eling candidate w isn't even really sure wtis sedut saying he wanted to repeal the bush tax cuts. th
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romney didn't mention it. i think it's the first time for the office of president when we've been at war has not mentioned the ongoing war as part of this, you know, political speech to the american people. so it is very curious. but i think one of the reasons why it's not a bigger issue is that the president is articulated a clear plan. we have 49 other countries plus the afghans that have bought in to that plan. it we have the insurance pots at end in case there is some challenges sober associationed with the plan. and ultimately i think the american people want top see a transition and do want to see the end of decade of war and a end of a decade in tens of thousands of young americans being in harm's way. that coupled with the very successful campaign against al qaeda has significantly reduced the risk that afghanistan poses to our vital interest. i think americans understand where we are, and they're generally supportive of the president's policies in this regard. >> i'd like to just ask a second question
romney didn't mention it. i think it's the first time for the office of president when we've been at war has not mentioned the ongoing war as part of this, you know, political speech to the american people. so it is very curious. but i think one of the reasons why it's not a bigger issue is that the president is articulated a clear plan. we have 49 other countries plus the afghans that have bought in to that plan. it we have the insurance pots at end in case there is some challenges sober...
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are any of you aware of any corrective ads the romney campaign -- the romney campaign was not even when cnn pressed them for examples. they have not corrected anything -- romney seems to have stated that they have made some incorrect claims. i think that the likelihood is that we will hear some twisted or false claims coming out because this is not unique to this particular campaign. this has been going on for a long time. we have pretty strong evidence that the greeks holding forth in the agora in athens, 2500 years ago, where putting the will over the eyes of voters even back then. -- will have over the eyes of voters even back then. at least with obama, as of we have heard, he is somewhat more circumspect when speaking in person about his new ones and some of the things you hear coming out of his ads. in one case, he corrected or contradicted his own advertising. to make my predictions, i sort of threw darts at the claims they make in their stump speeches, romney and obama. we recently did take that sunday standard speeches that they give. -- takeouts on the standard speeches that th
are any of you aware of any corrective ads the romney campaign -- the romney campaign was not even when cnn pressed them for examples. they have not corrected anything -- romney seems to have stated that they have made some incorrect claims. i think that the likelihood is that we will hear some twisted or false claims coming out because this is not unique to this particular campaign. this has been going on for a long time. we have pretty strong evidence that the greeks holding forth in the...
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it's not guaranteed romney will lose. obama after three great weeks is at 50 so it's not like he is at 54 with a big margin of error. that if romney doesn't lose, i think the big question will be is there someone who kind of challenges the party on issues, particularly with immigration and maybe a little bit on social issues. >> i think, i actually think that someone who explicitly makes the case would be worse -- look at a bob mcdonnell in virginia. he is someone who clearly was socially conservative, telegraph that very clear to his voters and the thought of him as reliable, and so he was able to go after suburban voters and what have you. but because you thought of him as reliable and say, he was able to frame things effectively. i think that's a better model. compare a huntsman to george w. bush. >> and marco rubio. i can imagine jeb bush is being the intellectual leader, but not running himself, maybe trying to see a rubio was not message of anti-and i can't get but further in this direction. i can sort of imagine th
it's not guaranteed romney will lose. obama after three great weeks is at 50 so it's not like he is at 54 with a big margin of error. that if romney doesn't lose, i think the big question will be is there someone who kind of challenges the party on issues, particularly with immigration and maybe a little bit on social issues. >> i think, i actually think that someone who explicitly makes the case would be worse -- look at a bob mcdonnell in virginia. he is someone who clearly was socially...